Who else has children

[battlejellyfish]

Not hating kids at all but I still remain relatively distant when they're around. Seeing how my sister's almost 2 months daughter is slowly but surely grows, how cute she is, such a good feeling to hold in my arms, like I can appreciate little moments like this but I'm not the one taking the 24 hour responsibility for her upbringing. I neither have the financial nor emotional background, proper attention, girlfriend/then wife to start a family once (I don't want to do this alone), the urge for such a big commitment at my and potential partner's expense when I'd rather like to experience things.

Also what ceero said about the world's current situation shouldn't be overlooked. What else you could do to protect your child if he/she would like to choose a way to live that is widely disregarded and disdained in the society or country? Or choose a job that isn't paid because the sweet and saint logic of capitalism won't "allow"? Yes, I know there are still people who are willing to raise a child or two no matter how bad the situation I think is and I'm not putting any blame on them of course, I'm just saying there are too many cons and missing parts for me to even think about this happening.

[DjVero]

Dont have, not really sure i ever will. Not that i necessarily wouldnt want to, but there is a couple of problems surrounding it. The most basic one is that i fucking hate children. Those 0-5 ones that can not wipe their own ass and cant be let alone for 2 minutes because they will eat rat poison or lick an electric socket. They disgust me, they annoy the living hell out of me. Fortunately my gf is very much in tune with me when it comes to this. They say the older you get, the more your opinion on having kids changes towards positive, but its quite the contrary for me. 5-6 years ago I was actually quite kids positive and wanted to have some pretty soon.

I was so much like this as well up until a few years ago lol. When I settled with my wife and her son came to live with us everything changed. I cared more (too much) about my own than I was ever able to care for someone else. I'm glad I changed 180 degrees.

Second one, me and my gf currently reside in Poland (she is polish, im slovak) and the idea of getting pregnant in current Kaczynski's Poland is absolutely terrifying to her (if you get pregnant and the fetus turn out to be dead/defected you can not get an abortion, even if it would mean you are going to die of necrosis). And i absolutely agree, no crotch gobling is ever going to cost her life. So if its happening, its definitely not happening while we are in Poland and we dont really plan to move out anytime soon. And we are 30 & 28 yo and not gonna get any younger, so it might as well just not happen.

That is a fucked up law . However, a body will most likely cast out the fetus by its own when it has died. It happened to us thrice last year. But I understand you are not willing to take that risk.

Those 0-5 ones cant be let alone for 2 minutes because they will lick an electric socket

lmao i actually did this and i'm somehow alive

How's your haircut these days though?

Also what ceero said about the world's current situation shouldn't be overlooked. What else you could do to protect your child if he/she would like to choose a way to live that is widely disregarded and disdained in the society or country? .

There's a very simple answer to that: don't choose that kind of lifestyle, whatever that means though. And if you do, people (society) will disregard you. Either choice one (she) makes is fine, but I hope I can teach her to cope with either choice. That's a parent's job imo

[Doctor Dave]

Congrats Vero I have 2 children, eldest is going to be 12 this summer ( )

[Qre8ive]

Dont have, not really sure i ever will. Not that i necessarily wouldnt want to, but there is a couple of problems surrounding it. The most basic one is that i fucking hate children. Those 0-5 ones that can not wipe their own ass and cant be let alone for 2 minutes because they will eat rat poison or lick an electric socket. They disgust me, they annoy the living hell out of me. Fortunately my gf is very much in tune with me when it comes to this. They say the older you get, the more your opinion on having kids changes towards positive, but its quite the contrary for me. 5-6 years ago I was actually quite kids positive and wanted to have some pretty soon.

I was so much like this as well up until a few years ago lol. When I settled with my wife and her son came to live with us everything changed. I cared more (too much) about my own than I was ever able to care for someone else. I'm glad I changed 180 degrees.

It's a general man thing i guess then . I always cringed so hard when hearing kids cry, even my sisters kids i never really liked or never held them when they were a baby and could never get myself to put up this happy voice people use to talk to babies

My wife, who I've been with for over 10 years, was kind of similar but for some reason whenever we traveled to Australia for a holiday we just decided... f*ck it, let's just go for it.

I was supposed to have a son born in 2020 but he died a few weeks before due date for unknown reasons so corona times couldn't get any worse for us. Nine months after that, after a shit ton of research with no conclusions on the cause we got the go-ahead to try again which resulted in a beautiful healthy little girl born in 2021

I still kind of cringe at other kids crying and overall I'm better with kids now, but with my daughter it is a whole different thing. The happiness such little human being can give to you is so priceless

[battlejellyfish]

There's a very simple answer to that: don't choose that kind of lifestyle, whatever that means though. And if you do, people (society) will disregard you. Either choice one (she) makes is fine, but I hope I can teach her to cope with either choice. That's a parent's job imo

School can teach you a lot if you have a non-disfunctional educational system but probably I shouldn't open this debate as I'm not a teacher (like you're afaik) and there might be serious differences in terms of schools in NL and my experiences here in Hungary. Sure a parent can tell a child "a thing or two" but keep the limitations in mind please.

I care about society because we're still part of it and cannot just go around pretending certain behaviours or thoughts aren't there. I bet you understand this. If my potential child is going to be in relationship and want to marry someone having the same gender of his/hers, what else can be done besides I give him/her the support when society wants them to do whatever they want "within the four walls"? When there's no chance of same sex marriage here? Sexual orientation is not really a matter of choice.

A job is different because you can actually have choices of course but I should feel bad to tell my kid to work as a programmer or become a founder of a little company instead of a teacher or nurse he/she wants to be because of the reputation or ridiculous wages they often get.

[Romanian Hardstyler]

I have two kids, a girl 3 years and a boy 7 months, i listen to hardstyle only in headphones now

[VOL-E]

I have two kids, a girl 3 years and a boy 7 months, i listen to hardstyle only in headphones now

I play PS5 the same way, when I finally have some free hours for myself

[DjVero]

Dont have, not really sure i ever will. Not that i necessarily wouldnt want to, but there is a couple of problems surrounding it. The most basic one is that i fucking hate children. Those 0-5 ones that can not wipe their own ass and cant be let alone for 2 minutes because they will eat rat poison or lick an electric socket. They disgust me, they annoy the living hell out of me. Fortunately my gf is very much in tune with me when it comes to this. They say the older you get, the more your opinion on having kids changes towards positive, but its quite the contrary for me. 5-6 years ago I was actually quite kids positive and wanted to have some pretty soon.

I was so much like this as well up until a few years ago lol. When I settled with my wife and her son came to live with us everything changed. I cared more (too much) about my own than I was ever able to care for someone else. I'm glad I changed 180 degrees.

It's a general man thing i guess then . I always cringed so hard when hearing kids cry, even my sisters kids i never really liked or never held them when they were a baby and could never get myself to put up this happy voice people use to talk to babies

I was supposed to have a son born in 2020 but he died a few weeks before due date for unknown reasons so corona times couldn't get any worse for us. Nine months after that, after a shit ton of research with no conclusions on the cause we got the go-ahead to try again which resulted in a beautiful healthy little girl born in 2021

Fuck, that's tough man Good thing you have a beautiful girl now, how even the biggest lacking empathy men can go full softy with such a little human being (talking myself here haha).

There's a very simple answer to that: don't choose that kind of lifestyle, whatever that means though. And if you do, people (society) will disregard you. Either choice one (she) makes is fine, but I hope I can teach her to cope with either choice. That's a parent's job imo

School can teach you a lot if you have a non-disfunctional educational system but probably I shouldn't open this debate as I'm not a teacher (like you're afaik) and there might be serious differences in terms of schools in NL and my experiences here in Hungary. Sure a parent can tell a child "a thing or two" but keep the limitations in mind please.

I care about society because we're still part of it and cannot just go around pretending certain behaviours or thoughts aren't there. I bet you understand this. If my potential child is going to be in relationship and want to marry someone having the same gender of his/hers, what else can be done besides I give him/her the support when society wants them to do whatever they want "within the four walls"? When there's no chance of same sex marriage here? Sexual orientation is not really a matter of choice.

A job is different because you can actually have choices of course but I should feel bad to tell my kid to work as a programmer or become a founder of a little company instead of a teacher or nurse he/she wants to be because of the reputation or ridiculous wages they often get.

Thanks for clarifying. Luckily shit like that is not equally the same in every country. Holland is quite liberal when it comes to same sex marriage for example. But on the other hand, a marriage is only a marriage, right? It's the love for one another that counts. A piece of paper that says "married" is just that, a piece of paper . And I make a shit ton of money as a teacher here, especially with all the holiday weeks throughout a year. Yes, compared to an IT engineer it's only a fraction, but I don't care, so many holidays is worth quite something too.

Unfortunately, emigrating just like that is not an option for many either.

I have two kids, a girl 3 years and a boy 7 months, i listen to hardstyle only in headphones now

I have two kids, a girl 3 years and a boy 7 months, i listen to hardstyle only in headphones now

I play PS5 the same way, when I finally have some free hours for myself

Too bad you guys feel like this. I'm currently blasting some hardstyle vinyls without any form of headphones lol. I try to pay attention to my own life as much as I can. A baby girl is like the best thing that could've happened, but my own life is almost as important. I have my man cave in / on (?) the attic though, so that helps too

[battlejellyfish]

I almost forgot to respond

Thanks for clarifying. Luckily shit like that is not equally the same in every country. Holland is quite liberal when it comes to same sex marriage for example. But on the other hand, a marriage is only a marriage, right? It's the love for one another that counts. A piece of paper that says "married" is just that, a piece of paper ;

Yeah, a marriage should not turn everything upside down if the relationship worked good already before. I guess... I mean I'm not downplaying the emotional aspect, the potential financial benefits (again I'm not familiar with the NL laws), or calling your partner "wife" or "husband" officially but it shouldn't be taken as a sanctity, a life-long promise or some heavily religious, either conservative bullshit.

But it's easier to think of it as a "piece of paper" when the choice to choose is there whether we want to get married or not. NL gives the chance for same-sex couples, Hungary doesn't in this case. So a gay or lesbian couple will have to move to a country like that and start a life there which isn't an option for everyone like you said. I'd support the same-sex marriage here but the religions? A big part of society that throws shit to the whole LMBTQ community? They won't. There are so many problems in general with a lot of factors to be considered that I wouldn't even go further because I either don't know many factors or the factors known to me should have been discussed in a lot more depth and I don't want to be off-topic that much.

[DjVero]

Better off-topic than dead-topic